G-2LCWV30QZ8 Racial Codes and Corporate Barriers: A Candid Discussion - TonyTidbit: A Black Executive Perspective
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Racial Codes and Corporate Barriers: A Candid Discussion.

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In this episode of the 'A Black Executive Perspective' podcast, hosts Tony Tidbit and Chris P. Reed dive into various topical issues relating to race, especially within corporate America. They discuss the significance of former President Trump's controversial remarks at the National Association of Black Journalists, the weaponization of DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) as a divisive tool, and the broader implications of racial narratives. They emphasize the importance of voting, informed dialogues, and challenging harmful stereotypes. The episode includes a segment on pushing back against misleading narratives. It stresses the need for empathy, education, and the sharing of accurate information to foster a more understanding and unified society.

▶︎ In This Episode

00:00: Introduction and Opening Remarks

00:40: Welcome to the Black Executive Perspective Podcast

01:30: Navigating Today's Top Headlines

02:50: Discussion on Trump's Appearance at NABJ

03:24: Trump's Comments on Kamala Harris and Blackness

05:27: Debate on Inviting Trump to NABJ

09:04: Trump's History of Racial Issues

25:33: Weaponization of DEI and Racial Dog Whistles

34:32: Dog Whistles and Divisive Strategies

35:56: Historical Parallels and Propaganda

36:43: Challenging Misleading Narratives

38:34: Personal Experiences in Corporate America

41:51: The Burden of Proving Competence

44:40: The Importance of Speaking Up

59:34: Final Thoughts and Call to Action

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Tony Tidbit:

I would love for you to talk about why, you know,

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African American people should

vote for you based on your record.

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And then she, she spit out all

the things that he said Right.

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She didn't make nothing up.

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That's right He said all right

record everybody got it, right?

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What does he do?

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Because she's strong She's called

holding them accountable to what

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he said She's knowledgeable.

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She's intelligent, right?

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What a nasty question.

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Okay.

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We'll discuss race and how it plays

a factor and how we didn't even talk

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about this topic because we were afraid.

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BEP Narrator: A Black

Executive Perspective.

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Tony Tidbit: Welcome to a Black Executive

Perspective podcast, a safe space where

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we discuss all matters related to race,

especially race in corporate America.

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I'm your host, Tony Tidbit.

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Chris P. Reed: And I'm

your co host, Chris P.

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Reed.

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Tony Tidbit: And again, we are live

at the University of New Haven, 88.

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7.

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On that, Richter Dial, it shakes

up and down, and we want to thank

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them for hosting the Black Executive

Perspective Podcast again today,

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and we're hoping everyone, all the

students are having a great summer.

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Go Chargers!

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to remember to thank our partners

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Tony Tidbit: That's right.

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Check them out and check this out today.

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Chris and I are going to pick back

up on BEP insights, navigating,

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navigating today's top headlines.

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We're going to dive in to some topics

that have happened over the last couple

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of weeks, give our perspective on it.

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Um, we're going to have a little

banter, go back and forth, share

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some insights, what we think this

is not something we rehearsed.

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You know, we just both speaking, you

know, we're riffing and exactly our

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opinions on these issues and we hope.

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Uh, based on discussing these issues that,

um, there's, uh, you guys get a lot out

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of it, at least from our perspective.

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And that's the goal.

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And obviously what we're looking

for you to do is go to our

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website and give us your feedback.

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And if you disagree or you have

some other, uh, you have a point

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of view that you want to share.

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Don't hesitate to do that.

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Cause we're going to be doing this at

least once at least a couple of times a

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month, because we want to keep you keep

up to date on what's going on and what

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BEP's Perspective is on these issues.

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All right.

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So, but my, my brother, anything

you want to add to that?

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Chris P. Reed: No, just so you know, keep

us honest and keep us moving, you know?

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Tony Tidbit: All right.

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So keeping us moving.

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Are you ready to talk about it?

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Chris P. Reed: Absolutely.

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That's good.

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All right,

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Tony Tidbit: my brother,

let's talk about it.

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Chris P. Reed: So, so the first

thing, and this is, this is hot

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right now in them streets, right?

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It's the, and we're going to

expand this appropriately.

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And it is the concept of, uh,

former President Trump showing

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up to, uh, NABJ, uh, the National

Association of Black Journalists.

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And, and it was, it was a kind

gesture for him to do so and put

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himself in that situation, but it

went left damn near immediately.

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And, um, you know, some of the undertones.

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So a lot of people, when you

talk about him, talks about the

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undertones and the things that

are, are said beyond the words.

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And, uh, some of it

came off as misogynist.

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Some of it came off as elitist.

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Some of it came off as possibly racist,

you know, it depends on what seat you

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sit in that you felt like some of these

things were going on and it was a lot of

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things that was said and we don't have

the time right now to really unravel

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all of it, you know, piece by piece, but

the piece that I really wanted to speak

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about and that's stuck in my cross, so

to speak, was the concept of, uh, as

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far as he was, and I, I can't hold him

unfortunately, so I'll paraphrase and

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you'll understand where I'm coming from

with this as far as he was concerned,

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Kamala Harris or Kamala or whatever.

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He'd like to call her whenever he

feels like it to not be able to

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remember something and want to be

president shouldn't coincide, but you

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can't remember a name, especially if

you get your chief, uh, adversary.

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That's interesting.

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So it's a little childish,

but moral of the story is.

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He said that he was under the impression

from what he knew of her, that she

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had been Asian all these years.

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And then all of a sudden she

woke up one day and was black.

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Now this comes on the tail of him

saying something about black jobs.

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And so his identification of

blackness is a concern for me.

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And I understand that we have a history

of our own identification of black.

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Let's think about school days, right?

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The movie school days, long time ago.

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Yeah.

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But, in the concept of

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And wannabes!

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That's right!

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But, you know, we kind of throw it

off to the side, that it's something

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said in jest, or it's something

said out of ignorance, maybe.

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It's really something serious,

as far as what is blackness.

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What is prescribed or identified as

blackness and is something we should

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even be concerned about or say she

should be concerned about running

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for the highest office in the land.

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So,

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Tony Tidbit: yeah, my friend, I mean,

look again, you said a lot and I, I lost

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cause I was going to ask you something.

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Then I got into the school days

and want to be, and I forgot, so

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I forgot what I was going to say.

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So here's the thing, right?

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And let's back up a little

bit because I think.

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You know, one of the things is that first,

the big thing was before he even got

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there, should he had, should they have,

uh, given him an invitation to come.

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Okay.

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As you said, national association,

black journalists, um, you know, this

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is something I guess they do on a yearly

basis and to be fair, he is there.

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You, when you have people

running for president.

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You definitely want

them to come right now.

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There was a lot of backlash because

of the issues you just brought

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up, uh, him attacking people.

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He, he, he was just, in my

opinion, he was who he is.

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Okay.

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Absolutely.

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And so, so he didn't do nothing

that, um, I'm shocked that because

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we've seen this before, right?

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Just to be fair, right?

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And so they should have known this.

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That he was going to come and then

he wasn't going to follow the rules.

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He was going to do his own thing, right?

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Now, I do feel that, and so people

were like, they shouldn't have

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invited him, blah, blah, blah.

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I, I disagree with that.

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I think, um, when you have president,

people running for president,

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um, this is an opportunity.

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For them to talk specifically to that

audience and explain why that audience

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should vote for them, what they're going

to do for that audience, regardless

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of you like the person or not, this is

that person's opportunity, right to,

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uh, engage and speak directly to them.

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If you don't invite them, then you

basically open yourself up, like.

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You know what?

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We ain't inviting him.

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And then he can immediately or

she can immediately say, they're

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not being fair to me, this group.

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I just think you do that, right?

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Now, all that being said, he did

what he was going to do, right?

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And, and, and to be fair, and I'm

just saying it from my point of view,

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um, he had an opportunity to speak

and let, Uh, this audience know why,

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why, why they should vote for him.

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All right.

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Well, guess what?

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He doesn't do that.

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He had an opportunity to put his record

on the things that he's accomplished

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before, the things that he's looking

to accomplish in the next four years.

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He could have spoke directly

to the issues, right?

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This was his opportunity.

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He didn't take advantage on it.

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So to be honest, that's on him.

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That's not on the organization.

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They did what they were supposed to.

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Now, if they're shocked that he went

off, I don't see how he's shocked because

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he's doing, he does this all the time.

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And here's the thing.

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Let's go right to what you talk

about the blackness, right?

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Is that shocking that he said that

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Chris P. Reed: it, you know, it's not

shocking that, you know, he thinks that

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and says that, but yeah, but hold on CC.

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There you go.

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Tony Tidbit: He can't help them.

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So

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I'm saying he go in there and this is

why some, you know, his supporters like

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him because he's saying what they've

been thinking and they haven't been,

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they felt that they had handcuffs and

they couldn't say, you know, Okay.

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So, so the bottom line is he is, he does

have racial problems that shows you,

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see, here's the thing, man, you know,

and we all been in situations where,

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um, you know, you have people at work

or in case maybe, and they shaking your

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hand and they're, they're, you know,

being cordial to you and chatting.

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And then when they get a couple of drinks

in them, or you see them later on, they're

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saying stuff, how they really feel.

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Okay.

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And, and to me, that's who Trump

is and, and, and what the bottom

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line is, we were, we're now five

years, excuse me, uh, what is this?

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We're eight years into this.

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He's done a lot of things, buddy.

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He talked about these crummy, he didn't

want people coming from, um, what

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these, these crummy countries when it

was all the black countries, right?

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He's used the, and I remember what

was her name was, she was kind of

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crazy to Amoroso, um, who he led

in his administration, knowing that

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she was all for herself anyway.

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All right.

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But if you tell them that you

love them and that you think

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highly from, He lets you in.

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All right.

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That's his, his thing is all about,

Hey, show me, tell me you love me.

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I'll, I'll, I'll do stuff for you.

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Right.

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But then when she was there, didn't she go

with a tape recorder or, or had some type

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of recording device and was like, found

out that he said the N word and stuff.

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Remember that?

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All right.

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So, so how is this shocking?

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Okay.

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To me, it ain't shocking.

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What's appalling is he had the

opportunity, the organization,

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Gave him an opportunity to speak.

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He could have changed all that by

sitting down and saying, Hey, I

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disagree with her on economic issues.

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I disagree with her on foreign policy.

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I disagree with her.

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He couldn't do that.

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He was just being who he is.

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That's my thought.

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Chris P. Reed: But you know, you

talk about this consistently.

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I'll give you full credit about

someone who has the opportunity to

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unite, but chooses to be divisive.

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And.

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The, the platform, the

platform, he was campaigning.

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This is campaigning, right?

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Correct.

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He was campaigning and he's

campaigning on being divisive.

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So if you're voting, you're voting for a

platform or a campaign of a lack of union.

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Either I, I choose not to call it the

United States as opposed to, I just

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call it the States of America because

there's nothing that's going on that

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makes it seem like we're amply United.

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And this is just another example, but

I think that unknowingly he touched

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the nerve in the black community when

he starts to identify things as black

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things or question someone's blackness.

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Buddy,

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Tony Tidbit: when has he not done that?

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So here's the thing.

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And again, I remember this,

um, remember Bryant Gumbel?

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Okay.

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I can't read.

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This was late eighties, early nineties.

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They had did this thing on NBC

and Bryant Gumbel was the host.

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Okay.

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And they were talking

about race in America.

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Spike Lee was on it.

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All right.

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This is, I think this is when Spike

Lee, uh, uh, directed the movie.

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Do the right thing.

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All right, I, I, I, I could be wrong.

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Right.

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And, and the bottom line is, and so,

uh, Bryant Gumble was, was, you know,

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had different people on and talk about

their thoughts of race in America.

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One of the people on the

show was Donald Trump.

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Okay.

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A young Donald Trump.

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I'm talking to this 91, 92, this,

this something, this is why, right.

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And then, um, you know

what Donald Trump said?

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And Spike Lee was right there.

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He said, I, and I forget how

the question was phrased.

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So I, I don't want to say, but I remember

him saying, if, um, I, if what did he say?

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And I could be wrong, Nicole.

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I mean, Noel, I wish you would look it up.

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He said, um, I think Bryant

Gumbel asked him the question.

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Um, and I don't want to say it that way.

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Cause I could be wrong.

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I thought it was, um, would you,

uh, if you were starting a career,

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would you rather be black or white?

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Right.

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And Donald Trump said, I rather be black.

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All right.

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Something to that effect.

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Right.

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And Spike Lee was like, he said,

I can't believe he said that.

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Okay.

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So in other words, he was like, black

people have advantage if I could start.

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And again, I, I, I, I, I don't

want to say something that's

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not a hundred percent right.

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Okay.

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Cause I forget factually correct.

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But I remember him being on that show.

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We'll look it up.

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Okay.

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So my point is, if you look

at his whole history, okay.

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Everything.

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He's always had race racial issues.

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Why would he has never changed.

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He, he was on, um, what was

the, the TV show on NBC?

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Uh, well, he was re taping.

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I forget what the dude and he was

talking about grabbing women by the

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genitals and stuff of that nature, right?

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So stop.

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And then, and then when he came out.

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When it came out, what

type of apology did he get?

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Yeah, I did it.

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It was locker room talk.

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All right.

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But guess what?

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I'm going to talk about what Clinton did.

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No remorse.

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The dude got fired.

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The dude got let go.

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And the man got fired.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Right?

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So, so, how you, I'm not shocked.

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All right?

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I, I, I hear you.

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I, I hear you.

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But I, I, I'm not shocked, buddy.

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Chris P. Reed: I think, Tony,

at some point in time, we have

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to dress for the occasion.

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You know what I'm saying?

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There's certain, like, you

can't go to the country club in

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hoop and shorts and a jersey.

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And think that they're going

to let, give you access.

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I don't care what color you are.

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That's not a racial thing.

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That's a formal protocol for entry.

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And at this point in time, there should be

formal protocols for entry to the highest

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office in the land, and he should be held

accountable to dress for the occasion.

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He's not dressing for the occasion,

Tony, and I can't be quiet or act

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like that's just him being him or

boys being boys or rednecks being

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rednecks like at some point in time.

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We can't absolve these things by

saying, oh, well, I'm desensitized to

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it because it's happened so frequently.

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I don't know how many times you've

been slapped in the face, but there's

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never a number where you like,

you know what people just slap me.

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So like that's

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Tony Tidbit: how

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Chris P. Reed: that

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Tony Tidbit: works.

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So, but see, Chris, I hear you and I'm,

and again, I'm not desensitized to it.

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His base is desensitized to, all right.

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See, at the end of the day,

who's put him up to be at this

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level to run for president.

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It's not me and you.

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All right.

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It ain't, it's his people.

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That's behind him.

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That's.

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You said the other day, right, about

people making excuses for, you know, uh,

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uh, uh, uh, uh, mental issues, right?

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Well, this is what he really means.

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All right.

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And stuff of that nature, right?

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That's what they do.

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So that emboldens him.

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To do that.

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Okay.

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And, and so, so it's not being

number one, let me just be clear.

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I agree with you that you, how can you

hold somebody accountable that they

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won't let you hold them accountable?

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All right.

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Here's the other dynamic to the, uh,

I'll add on to what you're saying.

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And, and, and this is another thing,

another one of his, um, um, um, his areas

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in terms of how he deals with women.

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Okay.

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If there's a strong woman that asks

strong questions, he can't deal with that.

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If you remember the reporter,

I think she was from ABC news

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and she came right out the gate.

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Mr.

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Trump, appreciate you coming

here, blah, blah, blah.

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You have treated, you have said

stuff in the past about black women.

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Number one, she said, I would love

for you to talk about why, you

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know, African American people should

vote for you based on your record.

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And then she, she spit out.

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All the things that he said he did, right?

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She didn't make nothing up.

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He said, all right, record,

everybody got it, right?

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What does he do?

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Because she's strong.

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She's called holding them

accountable to what he said.

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She's knowledgeable.

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She's intelligent, right?

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What a nasty question.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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You see him saying so he can't deal with

and he's done this a million times, right?

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He can't deal with so.

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Part of you, if you invite

them, you should understand he

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got, that's going to happen.

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Think about for a second, bro.

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Um, I don't want to use that example.

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That's not a good example, but if

you, if you, you can't take a ghetto

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person and invite them to a black, a

black, a black tie affair, all right,

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you can't because the bottom line

is they're going to be who they are.

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You can try to put clothes

on them all you want to.

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Okay.

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They're going to be who

they are right off the bat.

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And then you can't say, Oh, I

thought he was going to change.

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I thought he was going to

rise to the occasion because

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we put a black tie on him.

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Right?

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No, he is who he is.

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Chris P. Reed: The

issue with this Tony is.

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What you just gave me was a no

win situation because you have to

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invite him because of the position

you have and if you don't invite

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him because of who he is, then, and

that's the definition of tyranny.

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That's the definition of a tyrant when

there is no, when there is no recourse

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that's salvageable and civil for a

civilized society, no matter what you do.

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You're wrong.

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No matter what you say, it's dumb.

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No matter what is going on.

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You're being demonized and demeaned.

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If I can't win, but I have to play.

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And that's the problem.

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Like you said, we have to play it.

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So what, what, what is there to do?

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So here,

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Tony Tidbit: you know

what there's a new vote.

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Okay.

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See, see, you vote.

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That's how you win.

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You vote.

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All right.

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Is that some person that you want to

be leader, a leader of our country?

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Okay.

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That acts like that, that treats

women like that, who, when you

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ask them tough questions, they get

mad and they attack you, right?

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That's how you win.

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You vote.

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And that's my point here.

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My point is they should have invited him.

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This was his opportunity to get what?

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When votes, all right, to be able to

persuade or change minds of people

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who was like, I ain't voting for him.

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All right.

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Because of blah, blah, blah.

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And then what did he do?

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He did.

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He, he cemented that for the majority.

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Not those people.

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I, if I heard it right, there

was some people clapping.

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All right.

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Because they, they are

in his corner as well.

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And they were, look, I didn't see

the whole crowd, but I would imagine

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they were African American people

that's still going to vote for him.

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So, so my point is, is

that at the end of the day.

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Our recourse in these issues is voting.

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Okay.

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It is because the back to your point,

buddy, years ago, um, just something

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like that would have been done.

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Okay.

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You would have been finished.

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You wouldn't, you would have been

wiped out your political career over.

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Okay.

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Because the moral compass of the

country, regardless of what we deal

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with, would have been like, we don't

want that person representing us.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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We're in a different world now, right?

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So you can have somebody that's, you

know, insane, that can treat people

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like dogs, that lies all the time.

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Okay.

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I mean, constantly.

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Okay.

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And does anything he wants to do.

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And they say, Hey, he's a good leader.

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All right.

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And that makes no sense to me.

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It makes none.

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And so I'm not surprised, but in

my opinion, Then NABJ did what

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they were supposed, they needed,

they had to do, in my opinion.

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Chris P. Reed: So, so, and I know

this, I don't want to go down this

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rabbit hole, I'm just saying this as a

disclaimer, but the issue is, Tony, your

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advice to me and any sound, rational

thinking American is to go out and vote.

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But he's never won the popular election

and when he did lose officially, he threw

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a tantrum and incited an insurrection.

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So, I mean, once again, damned if you

do, damned if you don't because he's

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not ever won the popular election.

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So people did not vote for him

and look at where it got us.

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Eight years, like you said, we eight

years of counting of this fucking lunacy.

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This is crazy.

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Whose fault is that?

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See,

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Tony Tidbit: see, this

is the thing I just said.

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Any other era, any other era, this

dude would have been wiped out.

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All right.

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But, and that's the, that's the,

um, you know, what I want to say,

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that's shame on us as a society.

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That this person to your point

is, is like this and he's, uh, uh,

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uh, uh, 90 days away from being

reelected as president of that.

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I mean that right there, it

tells, it tells more about

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us, the population versus him.

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See, this is, this is my point here.

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We're saying, look at him, look at him.

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It should be, look at us.

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How do we have somebody who.

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Who ignited a, uh, a, a, a,

a surection insurrection.

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Okay.

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Everybody know he did it.

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Everybody.

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Okay.

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And we, we spoke about it on, on our show.

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Right.

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And the dude is right back and hold on.

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Not only that, not only everybody

did it, they spoke out on him.

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Then he said to them, you better

not, uh, you'll never vote again.

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You'll never run for office again.

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And they fell in line.

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Chris P. Reed: Absolutely.

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Tony Tidbit: Think about that.

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Absolutely.

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Think about that.

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And now they're endorsing him.

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What does that tell you?

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Okay.

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So if you, let's be

fair, man, let's be fair.

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And you look, my brother, I love you.

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Okay.

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However, if you had that absolute

type of power, right, where you could

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just do whatever you want to do.

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Say anything you want to say treat

people any way you want to treat it

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and people still would support you

They wouldn't even move off your block.

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That's

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Chris P. Reed: insane It is insane

and that that's I'm glad that you said

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that because just because you can do

something Does it mean that you should,

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and that shows more character or a

character flaw greater than anything

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I, or you could say about someone is

that if I got the right to go kick

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old people, you know what I'm saying?

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I then nobody's stopping me.

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I'm just going to go kick old people.

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No, you shouldn't kick old people.

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That doesn't even make sense that

you're rationalizing the fact that

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you can get away with it as the

justification as to why you do it.

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But come on now,

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Tony Tidbit: but yeah, but Chris, I don't

even want to use the word, but cause

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I'm agreeing with you a hundred percent.

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Okay.

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But that ship sail,

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okay.

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We were beyond that.

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I just told you about him saying,

grabbing the, you know, we're beyond that.

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Okay.

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So, so it, you know, reminds me of when,

uh, um, so this conversation reminds me,

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uh, when I got out the military, I came, I

was living with my mother and her husband.

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And, um, I was living at their house

and, um, uh, his brother was off, you

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know, mentally, mentally challenges.

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Right.

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And I'm a young, I'm 22, 23.

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Right.

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I'm all, I always want to be right.

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The whole nine years.

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Right.

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So he would say stuff.

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Right.

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And.

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This, you know, he would say, you

know, crazy stuff and I would argue

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with him like, man, that ain't how

it go, you know, blah, blah, blah,

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blah, blah, and we would get into

these heated arguments over and over.

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So, then one time I said something to

him and, uh, he started, you know, going

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off and me and him got into an argument.

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My mother grabbed me, pulled

me in the room, said, look.

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Didn't I tell you about

arguing with crazy?

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You can't argue with crazy people.

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All right.

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:

So this is where we are.

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My man, you're saying

this is unacceptable.

553

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There's more.

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You're dealing with

somebody that's unhinged.

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All right.

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There is no common sense here.

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If that makes sense.

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And when she said that to me, I

was like, You know what I'm arguing

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with somebody that don't get it.

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They ain't gonna never get it.

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And it's just a waste of energy.

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Chris P. Reed: Right, right.

563

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Yeah.

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You are, you are going astrophysical

to wino, you know what I'm saying?

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That's just, nobody can tell

who's the crazy one here.

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I understand it.

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But when you attack, when you attack

these things, when you attack DEI as the

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reason why she got a degree from this

place or held this job or whatever you

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she's held the second highest position

in the land and they call it a DEI hire.

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Now, ironically, she's had

other positions that were.

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justified in the past.

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It can't be your whole

life has been a DEI hire.

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That doesn't even make sense.

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The math ain't mathing on that

regard, but they're using these

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things to diminish accomplishments.

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And for whatever reason,

people are applauding this.

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And that's the sad part.

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It's a sad state of affairs.

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Tony Tidbit: That's so true, buddy.

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That's so true.

581

:

So listen, I want to, because

you know, You and I, we had, did

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an episode, um, what is woke and

why is it a bad thing, right?

583

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The word woke.

584

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And we talked about that, what the

real meaning was, why the meaning was

585

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important, and then how they hijacked

the word and they weaponized it, okay?

586

:

And this is where we are

with DEI right now, okay?

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DEI is, woke became a dog whistle.

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:

Okay.

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:

And DEI now is a dog whistle, right?

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And we're going to talk a little bit

about when we say dog whistle, but what

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:

are they really saying when, when we talk

about DEI or even when they were saying,

592

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whoa, so I want to read this article.

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I saw this when I was, um, I

was in Martha's Vineyard on

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the beach, chilling, right?

595

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Wife next to me, my daughter, her friend.

596

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We're having a good time.

597

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And I, you know, always like to read.

598

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And I read this article and it's from the,

um, publication called The Conversation.

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The author is Jennifer Soul.

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And, and she says, why the term DEI is

being weaponized as a racist dog whistle.

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And this is what she says, uh, this

is what she wrote, and I quote,

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A bridge in Baltimore collapsing.

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A door falling off an airplane.

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:

Anti Semitism.

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:

What do they have in common?

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:

In recent months, diversity, equity, and

inclusion has been blamed for all three.

607

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This may be a little,

seem a little baffling.

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In fact, when I tell this to

friends who don't keep up with

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these issues, they're stunned.

610

:

How, they want to know, is DEI

being blamed for these issues?

611

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And why would anyone do so?

612

:

Well, guess what?

613

:

They have a right to be skeptical.

614

:

These explanations really aren't quite

terrible, but there are reasons why the

615

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term DEI is leaping to the forefront

of the culture war, pushed by the far

616

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right into every conversation possible.

617

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In right wing, white wing, right

wing rhetoric, the DEI label is often

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used to play upon racial resentment.

619

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It is increasingly appropriate

as a racial dog whistle used

620

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to question and undermine.

621

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The positions, qualifications, and

abilities of racialized people.

622

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And just so we're on the same page, she

wanted to define what a dog whistle is.

623

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I'm going to read what she wrote.

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:

A dog whistle is a term that

also does something else.

625

:

Something less socially

acceptable below the surface.

626

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It is a coded deniability bit of language

that allows people to communicate

627

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ideas that would be too offensive.

628

:

If done specifically.

629

:

So let's see, let's hear some

of these DEI dog whistles.

630

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Fox News Commentators: DEI is

just a rebranded version of,

631

:

uh, uh, hating white people.

632

:

DEI in this case stands for

divisive, erroneous, and hateful.

633

:

Insidious DEI, which

stands for didn't earn it.

634

:

Discrimination, exclusion,

and indoctrination.

635

:

DEI breeds complacency

Dana and complacency kills.

636

:

We're going to have doctors who don't

know how to perform heart surgery.

637

:

And we're going to have planes

that are falling out of the sky.

638

:

I'm sorry.

639

:

If I see a black pilot, I'm going to

be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.

640

:

Tony Tidbit: Think about that, right?

641

:

So now DEI, I'm going

to finish your article.

642

:

DEI can cover all of these.

643

:

Those books you don't like.

644

:

Blame DEI.

645

:

Black people getting prestigious jobs?

646

:

It's DEI at fault.

647

:

Annoying young student activists?

648

:

Too much DEI on university campuses.

649

:

It's hard to find, as you heard, a

hot topic issue or social context

650

:

where DEI can't be hurled as a term

of abuse to undermine, marginalize,

651

:

Here's another example, a Republican

lawmaker in Utah blamed the Baltimore

652

:

bridge collapse on DEI saying, this is

what happens when you have governors

653

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who prioritize diversity over the

wellbeing of security of citizens.

654

:

They also called the city

black, the city's black mayor,

655

:

Brandon Scott, the DEI mayor.

656

:

Okay.

657

:

So as you can see, my brother, DEI now.

658

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Is now weaponized, which stands for

diversity, equity and inclusion,

659

:

not the terms that they just got

finished saying in the clip we just

660

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played, but now it's being used in

anything that goes wrong or anything

661

:

that people of color are a part of.

662

:

Okay.

663

:

So how could it be the DEI governor when

the whole state elected the governor?

664

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Okay.

665

:

To that.

666

:

Position, right?

667

:

How could, uh, one of the clips, um,

uh, you know, so we got to have people

668

:

who don't know how to do heart surgery.

669

:

So, so now anybody that's a

person of color, black, they're

670

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not qualified to do anything.

671

:

Okay.

672

:

They

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:

Chris P. Reed: need to

fill out an application.

674

:

They

675

:

Tony Tidbit: just picked

them off the street.

676

:

Okay.

677

:

Are you okay with white clothes on?

678

:

Yeah, let's put them here.

679

:

Right now.

680

:

Here's the thing.

681

:

Let's go back and this is just recent.

682

:

Okay.

683

:

Okay.

684

:

Let's just go back in our history.

685

:

You know who Charles Drew was?

686

:

Dr.

687

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Charles drew the heart surge.

688

:

He invented blood plasma.

689

:

Blood plasma.

690

:

Right.

691

:

Right.

692

:

Okay.

693

:

Was that D I what about Ben Carson?

694

:

You know who he is?

695

:

He separated Siamese tweens at the head.

696

:

Was that D I?

697

:

So my point I'm trying to make

is this is all of a sudden.

698

:

Okay.

699

:

And this is now become a term that

really means black people to galvanize.

700

:

Yeah.

701

:

A group of people that's saying that's

part of a zero sum game, that they're

702

:

trying to take something from you, okay?

703

:

And they're getting stuff that

they're not qualified to get because

704

:

of the policies that are being

put in place in corporations and

705

:

in government around the country.

706

:

Chris P. Reed: You know, the issue

is In philosophy, there's a dynamic

707

:

of you shouldn't turn generals into

specifics or specifics in the general.

708

:

And when you ever, whenever you paint

with a broad brush or you cast aspersions,

709

:

black people are not monolithic.

710

:

Women are not monolithic.

711

:

No one person represents the

entire diaspora of individuals,

712

:

you know, that we have before us.

713

:

But when it's convenient, you have

the individual that represents

714

:

the interest that we have.

715

:

So therefore they're

okay, or they're safe.

716

:

You know, that's the one thing

we always have to calibrate.

717

:

Am I the safe guy in this situation?

718

:

Forget the token and all this other stuff,

but this concept of, if I don't agree with

719

:

something that you've done, I'm going to

attack the credibility of whomever has

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:

provided you said certification, said

degree, said license, said employment,

721

:

I'm going to intact the entire institution

and everything that it was made up of,

722

:

I think is overkill is dynamite fishing.

723

:

It's just a bad, it's a bad idea.

724

:

And unfortunately we get caught

up in that and we're back in

725

:

this no win situation because the

answer is not don't go to school.

726

:

Don't apply for this job.

727

:

Don't do your best and rise in the

ranks because if you do, you're only

728

:

going to end up having aspersions

cast on you at some point if someone

729

:

so feels like it, like having that,

having that paranoia that if I get

730

:

shiny enough, or if I do too much.

731

:

You know, Paul Mooney had a joke years

ago that said, Be careful, black folks,

732

:

if you like something too much, because

white folks will come and take it.

733

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Like, they have an issue with

you just being too happy,

734

:

being settled, being American.

735

:

You know, being able to absorb

your freedoms and your rights

736

:

and things of that nature.

737

:

That, that, um, what, what my, my,

I had an old boss used to call it an

738

:

unhealthy, or I'm sorry, healthy tension.

739

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The degree of healthy tension has

gotten out of control and using these

740

:

dog whistles, as you stated is, is.

741

:

It's actually interesting that

it still occurs considering

742

:

how blatant people have become.

743

:

Tony Tidbit: Yeah, buddy.

744

:

So listen, this is a strategy.

745

:

Okay.

746

:

So let's just be clear here.

747

:

Okay.

748

:

This is a strategy to

divide and conquer people.

749

:

All right.

750

:

The people that you just heard

on those clips, they're at,

751

:

they know this stuff ain't real.

752

:

The stuff that they saying,

they know it's not real.

753

:

They're doing that on purpose because

they know the majority of people.

754

:

Will not check stuff out.

755

:

They'll listen to them

and and and run with it.

756

:

And they'll believe that, right?

757

:

They'll believe it.

758

:

That's what this is.

759

:

The people that, you know,

one of the clips, uh, was, um,

760

:

was, um, uh, Governor DeSantis.

761

:

He knows what DEI stands for, okay,

but he made up his own acronym

762

:

to it to divide people to get to.

763

:

It's a zero.

764

:

They're trying to take

stuff away from you.

765

:

Okay.

766

:

That's what this is about it.

767

:

So it's not about

bringing people together.

768

:

It's on purpose.

769

:

Dog whistles are on purpose.

770

:

It's a strategy.

771

:

To do it's instead of saying

the N word straight out, right?

772

:

Because that's really what they're saying.

773

:

It's all right.

774

:

Instead of saying that you use these

coded, uh, phrases and it means this.

775

:

Okay.

776

:

And not, and, and look at their examples

and, and some of them were blatant.

777

:

If I see a black doctor, well,

excuse me, I see a black, uh, pilot.

778

:

I hate to say it, but I ain't think

he he's qualified that makes no.

779

:

So, so think about it for a second.

780

:

They've been black pilots for years.

781

:

All right.

782

:

Now, all of a sudden, all anybody

who's a pilot is not qualified.

783

:

That makes no sense.

784

:

All right.

785

:

But my point is, is that they're

doing it on purpose because the

786

:

majority of people will believe it.

787

:

And that's real because they

have no other thing to believe.

788

:

And that's how you get people

to vote for you, to follow you.

789

:

We talked about it in 1890.

790

:

What was it?

791

:

A Wilmington in our

episode, Wilmington's lie.

792

:

They did the same thing.

793

:

It was no different,

but they use pictures.

794

:

All right.

795

:

And says, do you want this representing

you in Wilmington, North Carolina,

796

:

or are they going to rape you?

797

:

They, it was no different.

798

:

And unfortunately, we're 130,

40 years since that time.

799

:

And we're dealing with the same stuff.

800

:

Chris P. Reed: Well, ironically,

and that's specifically to here.

801

:

They did the same thing with

propaganda in Nazi Germany.

802

:

I mean, this is, this is

a play that's been run.

803

:

Like you said, they did the same

thing in South Africa when they came

804

:

over with the Jim Crow to figure

out how do we institute apartheid?

805

:

Like some of these things that

diminish the accomplishments of

806

:

other people, marginalized people

specifically are purposeful.

807

:

But the reality of it is,

I don't understand how to

808

:

counteract the weaponization.

809

:

Of ignorance or misleading information.

810

:

How do you counteract because

the facts don't do it.

811

:

We can stop that because if

I bring facts, it'll be fake

812

:

news or you'll just cast this.

813

:

And when there is no answer that

exists, there's the quote is.

814

:

For those who care, no

explanation is required.

815

:

And for those who do not

know, explanation will do.

816

:

If you're a believer, you believe

if you're not a believer, no matter

817

:

what I show you, it's a trick.

818

:

It's something to it.

819

:

And that's tough to live a life

like that for our children.

820

:

As we move forward, that's tough

to exist and pay taxes and.

821

:

And want to feel safe in a world

that allows for that type of lunacy,

822

:

Tony Tidbit: buddy.

823

:

So, so here's the thing, this is

where, and I hear you, but we got it.

824

:

We got to be better than that, right?

825

:

Because, you know, basically

what, what was happening,

826

:

somebody has got a bullhorn.

827

:

All right.

828

:

And they're, they're, they're, they're,

they're, they're, they're spitting venom.

829

:

And we just supposed to

sit back and take it?

830

:

No.

831

:

What we're supposed to do

is what we're doing now.

832

:

Okay.

833

:

We, we speak about it.

834

:

We, we, we tell the facts.

835

:

If they don't believe it, that's on them,

but we have to push back just as much.

836

:

And that's, and see, here's the challenge.

837

:

You got to give them credit though.

838

:

All right, because they got the strategy

down and they've been playing the

839

:

strategy and then, you know, oh, we,

they go low, we go high, no, right now,

840

:

we gotta be calling people names, but

we call it out, you know, you know,

841

:

and you know, this, we chat about

this, I didn't, you know, you think,

842

:

um, I, you know, we have this podcast.

843

:

We come on and talk about issues.

844

:

We have all different types

of people come on here.

845

:

Successful people come on,

talk about this issue, right?

846

:

You think I really wanted to start

a podcast talking about race?

847

:

You kidding me?

848

:

Right.

849

:

You think that no, all right.

850

:

I didn't even talk about race.

851

:

The majority of my time

in corporate America.

852

:

Okay.

853

:

Cause I wanted, I just

thought, Hey, I'll show up.

854

:

I'll do the right thing.

855

:

I'll be an example.

856

:

And a lot of my friends and

family, they'll be an example.

857

:

And this thing will just fade away.

858

:

No, you've had the war on drugs.

859

:

I can go through everything.

860

:

Every chapter from the time my mother

said, told me about race and you

861

:

know how the world would see me.

862

:

But don't worry about it.

863

:

You just focus and this and

that and just don't say nothing.

864

:

Don't do it.

865

:

And all through that time

we had people coming up.

866

:

Talking and pushing false

narratives out over and over again.

867

:

And we were quiet.

868

:

Did it change anything?

869

:

No.

870

:

Now we went from woke.

871

:

I mean, we can buddy, if we did, we should

do a podcast just on the dog whistles that

872

:

has come out over the last 40, 50 years.

873

:

Okay.

874

:

They ain't stopped.

875

:

And so we have to are, and

this is what I've learned.

876

:

We have to, right.

877

:

Is speak about these issues

with fact, with example.

878

:

Okay.

879

:

Let me ask you this, man.

880

:

Let me ask you this.

881

:

Um, you're a very astute individual.

882

:

You, you, you're, you've been

at multiple corporations.

883

:

Okay.

884

:

Have you been at places where you were?

885

:

You know, you were only a, it was

only a few black people there.

886

:

Chris P. Reed: Absolutely.

887

:

Okay.

888

:

Tony Tidbit: And out of you being, it

was only a few black people, right.

889

:

But people were getting

promoted in the organization.

890

:

Right.

891

:

Right.

892

:

Um, did you ever see people get

promoted that didn't deserve it?

893

:

Chris P. Reed: Oh,

894

:

Tony Tidbit: absolutely.

895

:

What color was they?

896

:

What?

897

:

No, no.

898

:

Answer the question.

899

:

What color was they?

900

:

Here's the situation.

901

:

No, no, no, no.

902

:

They were white.

903

:

They were white.

904

:

They were white.

905

:

They were white.

906

:

So, so, so, so, so, so

this is my point here.

907

:

Okay.

908

:

See, this is my point.

909

:

And I'm not, not, the reason I asked

the question, because that's real.

910

:

We've all, that's, we have

people that work, right?

911

:

Who's listening to this

podcast, watching it.

912

:

They work at companies right now.

913

:

There's not a lot of people

of color at those companies.

914

:

Right.

915

:

They're complaining every day about

who's, who's running this place.

916

:

This place is, you know, or he's, he

only got the job because, uh, his father

917

:

was blah, blah, and they're white.

918

:

But nobody's saying that.

919

:

Nobody's saying that.

920

:

Right.

921

:

And that's real.

922

:

But it's now only people of color.

923

:

Are getting jobs that they're not

qualified for every per doctors, lawyers,

924

:

pilots, they're just, you know, they've

got a dump truck and it's throwing

925

:

black people in and is giving them jobs.

926

:

Right.

927

:

That's my point.

928

:

That that's why I'm saying is that at

the end of the day, if you think about

929

:

that, these are the things that we

have to say, because it's true, right.

930

:

And those people who believe some of

this stuff that's being pushed out

931

:

there, they deal, they work at these

companies and they see that themselves.

932

:

Chris P. Reed: Okay.

933

:

Well, the interesting thing about it

though, Tony is I, I pushed back on this

934

:

concept that, um, high paying or high,

highly influential roles that black

935

:

people sit in, they aren't qualified for.

936

:

In fact, I would say in my

experience at Fortune, I've worked

937

:

at five Fortune 500 companies.

938

:

I can tell you this, when you ask

me to close my eyes and imagine an

939

:

incompetent leader, vice president,

senior vice president, CEO, whatever,

940

:

100 percent of those people were white.

941

:

And when you asked me who were the

best people, one of the prerequisites

942

:

of being put in those roles as a black

person is you've checked off every box.

943

:

You more than everything,

more than boxes, right?

944

:

You

945

:

Tony Tidbit: on a level

946

:

Chris P. Reed: of astronaut.

947

:

Okay.

948

:

Absolutely.

949

:

Absolutely.

950

:

Just to be in those seats and

they're waiting for you to mess up.

951

:

They're waiting for you.

952

:

Like, like our girl, Rosalyn,

that was the CEO of Walgreens.

953

:

They was, Walgreens was on a trajectory

that wasn't sustainable anyway, but

954

:

then they said, well, we got to get

rid of Rosalyn because Walgreens

955

:

ain't the stock, the stock price.

956

:

Forget about the history.

957

:

Forget about other things.

958

:

It was, maybe it's her, maybe it's her.

959

:

Now, luckily she's landed on her

feet and is doing great things now.

960

:

But the moral of the story is the

fact that she sat up there when

961

:

I seen her sitting in the seat, I

was like, Oh, she must be amazing.

962

:

She could have been an astronaut.

963

:

She could have been anything.

964

:

So my perspective of the black person

that's in these roles is the exact

965

:

opposite of what I'm hearing on this

dog whistling where I see a black pilot.

966

:

I'm like, dang, that dude.

967

:

Is the man, but

968

:

Tony Tidbit: Chris ops, buddy.

969

:

Come on.

970

:

We know that we know, but they don't,

971

:

Chris P. Reed: I don't think they do.

972

:

No, no, no, no, no, no,

973

:

Tony Tidbit: no, no, no.

974

:

So, so, so here's the thing.

975

:

We know it.

976

:

Right.

977

:

Yeah.

978

:

And, and, and here's the thing.

979

:

And you, and you're right.

980

:

They probably, because if somebody

telling you over and over and over

981

:

again, okay, that they only got this job

based on them being, but let's be fair.

982

:

See, again, yeah.

983

:

This ain't nothing new.

984

:

Denzel Washington only won the

Oscar because he was black.

985

:

Okay?

986

:

These things have always

come up like that.

987

:

Right?

988

:

And so, now it's being

pushed more as a strategy.

989

:

To gain, garner votes and to push back

against, uh, uh, so called policies that

990

:

they feel favor people of color, okay?

991

:

And they're positioning it

as a zero sum game, okay?

992

:

That they're taking something

from you, and you won't be able to

993

:

survive, or you won't be able to work.

994

:

They've taken your job.

995

:

That's how it's being positioned.

996

:

They're taking your, your, your,

their kids are going to schools

997

:

that they don't belong in, right?

998

:

They're taking your scholarship.

999

:

They're taking, that's how this is being

positioned and using these dog whistles.

:

00:44:39,310 --> 00:44:40,740

And I'm, let me just back up for a second.

:

00:44:40,769 --> 00:44:45,240

Cause I'm going to give me, I'm going to

be, I'm look, we, we created this to be,

:

00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:48,220

have honest, authentic discussions, right?

:

00:44:48,270 --> 00:44:51,610

And I want to have somebody

to come on and who disagrees.

:

00:44:51,610 --> 00:44:51,880

Right.

:

00:44:51,930 --> 00:44:53,910

So I'd love to have that, but

let me give you an example.

:

00:44:54,325 --> 00:44:55,965

I'm not going to tell you

the name of the company.

:

00:44:56,385 --> 00:44:56,925

Okay.

:

00:44:57,755 --> 00:44:58,315

I'm not going to tell you.

:

00:44:58,985 --> 00:44:59,885

I worked at a company.

:

00:45:00,345 --> 00:45:00,845

Okay.

:

00:45:01,265 --> 00:45:05,175

And, um, the senior management.

:

00:45:06,254 --> 00:45:06,664

Okay.

:

00:45:06,695 --> 00:45:07,745

There was one guy there.

:

00:45:08,825 --> 00:45:09,365

Okay.

:

00:45:09,714 --> 00:45:11,725

And I'm not gonna say what his name was.

:

00:45:12,165 --> 00:45:12,735

Okay.

:

00:45:13,275 --> 00:45:22,264

Um, but, and he wasn't on the same level

as, as all the other senior managers.

:

00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:23,590

Okay.

:

00:45:23,950 --> 00:45:27,300

And I remember the, uh, executive

assistant, we all became friends.

:

00:45:27,310 --> 00:45:27,840

We all hang out.

:

00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:28,560

Don't get me wrong.

:

00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:29,960

We hung out with them and on the air.

:

00:45:30,010 --> 00:45:30,330

Right.

:

00:45:30,810 --> 00:45:35,989

And I remember asking, I was like,

so how did this guy, you know, how

:

00:45:35,989 --> 00:45:37,759

did he end up in this position?

:

00:45:37,770 --> 00:45:40,780

You know, she told me he's a good old boy.

:

00:45:44,070 --> 00:45:44,400

Right.

:

00:45:44,590 --> 00:45:45,400

And she was white.

:

00:45:45,740 --> 00:45:46,230

All right.

:

00:45:46,270 --> 00:45:47,140

She, she broke it down.

:

00:45:48,350 --> 00:45:48,930

Okay.

:

00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:50,920

Then the dude left.

:

00:45:51,570 --> 00:45:52,990

Went to another company.

:

00:45:53,050 --> 00:45:55,000

I'm not going to say who, all right.

:

00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:58,660

The, I knew the guy that was

going to be reporting to this guy.

:

00:45:59,240 --> 00:45:59,830

Okay.

:

00:45:59,939 --> 00:46:02,960

And I, I was like, he said, yeah, Tony,

can you tell me about blah, blah, blah.

:

00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:03,870

So he's a good guy.

:

00:46:03,870 --> 00:46:05,250

Blah, blah, blah, blah, right.

:

00:46:05,959 --> 00:46:09,340

Three, four months later, the

dude calls me back and it's

:

00:46:09,340 --> 00:46:10,640

like, this dude's horrible.

:

00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:12,160

All right.

:

00:46:12,370 --> 00:46:13,950

I'm not learning nothing from him.

:

00:46:14,020 --> 00:46:16,980

He ain't bringing nothing to the

table, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

:

00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:18,530

Okay.

:

00:46:18,580 --> 00:46:21,910

So my point I'm trying to make,

this is just one example is that.

:

00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:22,710

You know?

:

00:46:23,090 --> 00:46:26,530

Only black people are getting jobs

as they're not qualified, that

:

00:46:26,530 --> 00:46:27,950

doesn't make, you just said it.

:

00:46:28,545 --> 00:46:30,645

We have to jump through multiple hoops.

:

00:46:31,525 --> 00:46:32,105

Okay.

:

00:46:32,225 --> 00:46:37,475

And here's the thing, even in our own

head, we, we have credentials, but then

:

00:46:37,475 --> 00:46:42,074

we even worry about when we sit down

that talk about these jobs, like, are

:

00:46:42,075 --> 00:46:45,135

they going to take me, even though I

check all the boxes and I did this, I did

:

00:46:45,135 --> 00:46:46,885

that, this, this, that, this, and that.

:

00:46:47,174 --> 00:46:51,884

So overqualified worked our butts

off, but there's a narrative

:

00:46:51,884 --> 00:46:55,665

that's going out and saying, it's

not, and it's our responsibility.

:

00:46:56,915 --> 00:46:59,125

Push back on that and say what time it is.

:

00:46:59,545 --> 00:47:00,905

Chris P. Reed: I'm going

to tell you a good story.

:

00:47:00,905 --> 00:47:02,015

It is true story.

:

00:47:02,015 --> 00:47:02,625

Good situation.

:

00:47:02,625 --> 00:47:04,155

And it involves me specifically.

:

00:47:04,595 --> 00:47:08,165

I, uh, get an opportunity to get

into a role, very high visible

:

00:47:08,165 --> 00:47:11,244

role, billion dollar a year

budget, things of that nature.

:

00:47:11,245 --> 00:47:11,635

Right.

:

00:47:12,165 --> 00:47:16,014

And when they came to me and

said, Hey, this guy wants you to

:

00:47:16,024 --> 00:47:19,115

be on the team and support, you

know, this, that, and the third.

:

00:47:19,895 --> 00:47:24,265

I said, okay, can I speak with him

first before any decisions are made?

:

00:47:24,535 --> 00:47:27,905

Now, my, my assistant vice president

at the time was a Latino lady.

:

00:47:28,295 --> 00:47:29,295

And she was like, sure.

:

00:47:29,325 --> 00:47:30,445

She didn't even understand.

:

00:47:30,815 --> 00:47:33,655

And I go to him and say, you

know, you got three or four black

:

00:47:33,655 --> 00:47:34,755

people already working for a year.

:

00:47:37,055 --> 00:47:42,895

Like if it's too many of us over here,

like I was concerned about the optics.

:

00:47:43,815 --> 00:47:47,845

It'd be now I knew I was qualified, but

the one thing that it was, it's funny.

:

00:47:47,845 --> 00:47:49,615

We laughed about it and

I ended up doing it.

:

00:47:49,645 --> 00:47:50,185

Great job.

:

00:47:50,195 --> 00:47:52,665

Great situation, you know, but it

was a lot of brothers over there.

:

00:47:52,775 --> 00:47:53,505

You know, not a lot.

:

00:47:53,545 --> 00:47:54,825

It was only three or four out of.

:

00:47:56,015 --> 00:47:59,675

:

of the fact that man.

:

00:48:00,110 --> 00:48:02,500

It's kind of, it's kind

of some over there.

:

00:48:02,690 --> 00:48:06,960

And if it gets, we get too comfortable

over there, it's going to become the black

:

00:48:06,990 --> 00:48:09,400

area or the black division type situation.

:

00:48:09,409 --> 00:48:11,699

And that's something that other

people don't have to worry about.

:

00:48:11,699 --> 00:48:14,130

They don't have to be cognizant

of some of those things.

:

00:48:14,380 --> 00:48:20,200

But you know, the interesting part about

it is Tony, when somebody casts a doubt

:

00:48:20,310 --> 00:48:27,870

or they say anything about someone else's

employment status, we should all challenge

:

00:48:27,870 --> 00:48:29,980

ourselves from a less perspective.

:

00:48:30,465 --> 00:48:32,885

To make sure we're

talking about production,

:

00:48:33,175 --> 00:48:33,525

Tony Tidbit: buddy.

:

00:48:33,655 --> 00:48:33,865

Now,

:

00:48:33,875 --> 00:48:36,315

Chris P. Reed: are you

attacking the production or

:

00:48:36,325 --> 00:48:37,475

are you attacking the person?

:

00:48:37,475 --> 00:48:44,145

I had a employee one time and I told

him he was crazy out of control,

:

00:48:44,205 --> 00:48:47,584

bad attitude, used to pout and throw

tantrums and all this and all that.

:

00:48:47,854 --> 00:48:50,045

And I think that he thought

that me and him had a problem.

:

00:48:50,660 --> 00:48:53,980

He was easily one of the best employees

I ever had from a production perspective.

:

00:48:54,450 --> 00:48:56,870

And so eventually we had a

conversation and he was like, man,

:

00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:58,590

you know, I was going through a time.

:

00:48:58,590 --> 00:49:00,589

My mom was sick, this, that,

and you put up with me.

:

00:49:00,630 --> 00:49:02,490

And I said, I can't prosecute personality.

:

00:49:02,740 --> 00:49:04,080

I can only prosecute production.

:

00:49:04,290 --> 00:49:08,049

So I can't go to HR and say, I don't

like, I don't like his personality.

:

00:49:09,470 --> 00:49:10,940

I don't have that type of audacity.

:

00:49:10,940 --> 00:49:12,170

I wasn't grown yet like that.

:

00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:17,025

But the moral of the story is if we

only prosecute production, If you start

:

00:49:17,035 --> 00:49:21,175

thinking about anybody listening to our

voices, now, if somebody says something to

:

00:49:21,185 --> 00:49:24,965

you about someone, make sure that you're

steering the conversation to production.

:

00:49:25,955 --> 00:49:29,285

Not what they look like, how

they dress, they skin tone, they

:

00:49:29,305 --> 00:49:30,775

accent, none of that kind of stuff.

:

00:49:30,955 --> 00:49:34,185

Because I think that's where we

get caught up in the groundswell

:

00:49:34,185 --> 00:49:35,404

of people are saying stuff.

:

00:49:35,565 --> 00:49:39,175

We don't check it or ask the extra

question, which is, well, how

:

00:49:39,175 --> 00:49:40,414

productive has this person been?

:

00:49:40,545 --> 00:49:44,644

Like you said, your man showed up and

he was trash productivity wise, he was

:

00:49:45,034 --> 00:49:46,394

Tony Tidbit: trash, great guy,

:

00:49:46,424 --> 00:49:47,244

Chris P. Reed: great guy, great

:

00:49:47,244 --> 00:49:49,944

Tony Tidbit: guy, great

guy, great guy, right.

:

00:49:49,944 --> 00:49:50,834

He deserved his money though.

:

00:49:50,944 --> 00:49:54,069

But, well, but here's the thing though,

there's a couple of things to that.

:

00:49:54,550 --> 00:49:57,520

Is that he was able to leave and

still get another job somewhere.

:

00:49:57,770 --> 00:49:58,350

Yes, sir.

:

00:49:58,490 --> 00:50:01,465

That's the moral And show up strong.

:

00:50:02,495 --> 00:50:06,475

He didn't, he didn't go from here

and then have to back up and go here.

:

00:50:06,695 --> 00:50:07,045

Right.

:

00:50:07,045 --> 00:50:08,495

And then work his way back up.

:

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No, he was here and went

over and he was here.

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Okay.

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00:50:13,815 --> 00:50:17,294

And so, so these are the things that

we don't get a chance to be able to do.

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00:50:17,575 --> 00:50:21,144

We make a mistake or we do something wrong

or we don't say the right thing in the

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00:50:21,145 --> 00:50:25,835

right time, or we come across angry or,

or whatever case may be, it's a demerit.

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00:50:26,215 --> 00:50:30,255

Okay, where that's the thing that people

don't recognize and I got to say this

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00:50:30,255 --> 00:50:35,354

thing of the two because, you know, one of

the things that happens is we people get

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00:50:35,355 --> 00:50:38,115

hamstrung before they even start the job.

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00:50:38,865 --> 00:50:40,655

Okay, I'll tell you another story.

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00:50:40,664 --> 00:50:44,814

Friend of mine told me about a friend

of his who was going for this position

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00:50:45,045 --> 00:50:51,984

going for a position and, um, he, he knew

the person and, um, um, he interviewed

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00:50:51,984 --> 00:50:54,415

with them and they said, great,

we're going to have you come back in.

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00:50:54,415 --> 00:50:54,535

Okay.

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00:50:54,850 --> 00:50:56,770

And then he followed up with them.

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00:50:56,810 --> 00:51:00,000

And then the hiring manager

said, Oh, you know what?

:

00:51:00,380 --> 00:51:02,420

We, unfortunately we had

to fill the job already.

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00:51:02,420 --> 00:51:09,190

We had to, uh, uh, hire a black one or

we had to, um, you know, we, you know,

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00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:15,740

so this dude walked away like, Oh,

they, she, they only gave her the job

:

00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:17,860

because she was, that's what in his mind.

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00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:18,790

Okay.

:

00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:21,420

So he didn't say we had to, he

just said, we hired this woman,

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00:51:21,420 --> 00:51:22,300

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:23,090

Okay.

:

00:51:23,219 --> 00:51:28,460

So immediately The thought is

she ain't qualified, right?

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00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:29,840

Coming in the door.

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00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:35,060

The thought is she ain't qualified

when we know she probably her

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00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:38,799

credential instead of saying,

instead of saying, Hey, we already

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00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,459

found a rail really great candidate.

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00:51:40,770 --> 00:51:41,840

She's awesome.

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00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,120

She's got great experience.

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00:51:43,310 --> 00:51:46,530

We love you, my man, but you know,

it's just, it was, we had a lot of

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00:51:46,530 --> 00:51:48,300

competition and we chose the best person.

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00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:49,580

That's how you say it.

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00:51:49,665 --> 00:51:53,275

But when you say, Oh, we had,

we hired this black woman.

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00:51:53,585 --> 00:51:53,905

All right.

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00:51:53,905 --> 00:51:55,395

Or then people start.

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00:51:55,475 --> 00:52:02,034

So these little bitty things helps is

part of the whole puzzle that now people

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00:52:02,034 --> 00:52:05,654

think, Oh, anybody that gets a job,

that's a person of color, they ain't

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00:52:05,654 --> 00:52:08,195

qualified because they're saying that.

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00:52:08,204 --> 00:52:09,734

So we gotta be careful with that.

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00:52:09,944 --> 00:52:14,694

And then real quick, I want to back

up because Noel, uh, did the research.

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00:52:14,894 --> 00:52:15,244

So.

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00:52:15,965 --> 00:52:20,105

It was:

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00:52:20,145 --> 00:52:21,445

I know it wasn't crazy, right?

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00:52:21,835 --> 00:52:24,635

And the question that

Bryant Gumbel asked Trump.

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00:52:25,090 --> 00:52:29,880

If Trump had to do it all over again,

he said he was starting the business

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world as an educated black man.

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00:52:33,170 --> 00:52:33,700

All right.

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00:52:33,740 --> 00:52:34,920

That's what Trump said.

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00:52:35,009 --> 00:52:35,340

All right.

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00:52:35,390 --> 00:52:39,310

I would love to be a well educated

black man because I really believe

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00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,240

they do have an actual advantage today.

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00:52:43,209 --> 00:52:44,750

That's what Trump said,:

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00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:45,620

Right.

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All right.

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00:52:46,540 --> 00:52:47,980

Now he can't remember.

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Is she black?

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Man.

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Chris P. Reed: All right.

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00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:50,920

Man.

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00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,509

Ain't that you see

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Tony Tidbit: my point now?

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Okay.

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00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:54,520

So.

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00:52:54,770 --> 00:52:58,820

But, but my, my friend though, I

just, he really, you know, I'm very

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00:52:58,820 --> 00:53:02,420

passionate about this stuff because I

know what I go through or what I went

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00:53:02,420 --> 00:53:07,059

through to get to where I am today, you

know, and let's be fair though, too.

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00:53:07,540 --> 00:53:09,219

A lot of my mentors were white.

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00:53:09,260 --> 00:53:13,649

There were people who saw something in

me and they were like, Tony, you know,

:

00:53:13,660 --> 00:53:15,660

I never went and asked for a promotion.

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00:53:15,780 --> 00:53:16,190

Never.

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00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:17,690

I never said I deserve this.

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00:53:17,690 --> 00:53:18,860

This net I, my work.

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00:53:19,180 --> 00:53:22,850

I worked hard and it showed up and they

called me in the office said we making

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00:53:22,850 --> 00:53:28,559

you this We're promoting you to this and

so so so I know what it you know I know

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00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:34,299

what I had to go through and I know what

we have to go through to Not only get in

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00:53:34,299 --> 00:53:37,135

the building But rise up in the building.

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00:53:37,185 --> 00:53:38,355

It ain't easy.

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00:53:38,645 --> 00:53:41,695

And so when people get

promotions and they get jobs, I'm

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00:53:41,695 --> 00:53:42,725

talking about people of color.

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00:53:43,005 --> 00:53:45,395

It ain't because they're not qualified.

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00:53:45,405 --> 00:53:46,535

They're trying to fill a quota.

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Okay.

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00:53:47,804 --> 00:53:49,224

Trust me on that part.

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00:53:49,224 --> 00:53:50,485

I can tell you flat out.

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00:53:50,745 --> 00:53:51,195

All right.

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00:53:51,235 --> 00:53:52,525

Trust me on that.

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00:53:52,714 --> 00:53:53,895

Now, you may not like them.

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00:53:54,535 --> 00:53:58,495

To your, uh, uh, you know, I,

I can't get rid of you because,

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00:53:58,495 --> 00:54:00,395

uh, personality, personality.

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00:54:00,395 --> 00:54:03,765

You may not like their personality and

human beings like anybody else, right?

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00:54:03,765 --> 00:54:07,405

But when it comes to performance,

showing up, being up and

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00:54:07,405 --> 00:54:09,065

doing the things I'm sorry.

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00:54:09,465 --> 00:54:12,055

No, I, I, I, no, no, no, no, no.

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00:54:12,815 --> 00:54:13,464

That's my take.

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00:54:14,394 --> 00:54:14,854

Chris P. Reed: Absolutely.

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00:54:14,914 --> 00:54:17,274

And I think we show up and

show up all the time, but once

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00:54:17,274 --> 00:54:18,674

again, we've been conditioned.

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00:54:19,005 --> 00:54:20,485

To understand that that's the black tax.

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00:54:20,515 --> 00:54:25,195

That's the extra that you have to pay

just for the same equivalent opportunities

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00:54:25,195 --> 00:54:29,685

or, or, uh, uh, situations that you

can put yourself in because 1 of the

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00:54:29,685 --> 00:54:32,805

things that has been conditioned out

of us over time is that audacity,

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00:54:33,175 --> 00:54:36,475

it's a situation that I just did a

conversation about this a couple of

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00:54:36,475 --> 00:54:39,315

weeks ago, but it was specifically

talking about women and minorities

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00:54:39,545 --> 00:54:42,015

in the idea of studies have shown.

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00:54:42,365 --> 00:54:47,785

A white male can qualify for two or three

of the 10 things that a resume, uh, or a

:

00:54:47,785 --> 00:54:51,794

job description calls for and say, man,

I got this and go in there with all the

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00:54:51,794 --> 00:54:53,625

audacity in the world and the confidence.

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00:54:53,625 --> 00:54:58,255

Life is a confidence game, Tony, but

we feel like, man, I'm eight out of 10.

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00:54:58,265 --> 00:55:02,614

They ain't going to choose me or a

woman feels like I'm nine out of 10.

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00:55:03,295 --> 00:55:06,735

I ain't got a chance because we've

been conditioned to believe that if

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00:55:06,745 --> 00:55:10,930

it's not perfect, We might not even,

we shouldn't even waste our time where

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00:55:10,930 --> 00:55:16,360

the audacity that they come in with

is so high that they like, why not me?

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00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:17,090

Why?

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00:55:17,780 --> 00:55:18,669

Shit, man.

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00:55:18,700 --> 00:55:19,710

Hey, I'm going for

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00:55:19,710 --> 00:55:19,790

Tony Tidbit: it.

:

00:55:19,790 --> 00:55:20,310

It's so true.

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00:55:20,310 --> 00:55:20,469

And,

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00:55:20,469 --> 00:55:22,419

Chris P. Reed: and, and

unfortunately that's the burden

:

00:55:22,419 --> 00:55:25,120

that we've allowed for ourselves

to carry that we have to get over.

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00:55:25,129 --> 00:55:26,590

And we had to start leading

the league in attempts.

:

00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,190

We had to start putting

ourselves out there and believing

:

00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:30,480

that if you put me in here.

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00:55:30,910 --> 00:55:33,300

Some good things is going to

happen because nobody's going

:

00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:34,510

to believe it if you don't first

:

00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:36,240

Tony Tidbit: buddy flat

out and you know what?

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00:55:36,260 --> 00:55:42,400

And look, I I've I've done both Okay,

I've done the you know, I didn't

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00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:48,419

check every box and I remember people

my superiors Telling me Tony you

:

00:55:48,420 --> 00:55:50,155

would be perfect for this role Right.

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00:55:50,225 --> 00:55:51,585

Tony, you know, all this stuff.

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00:55:51,585 --> 00:55:51,775

Right.

:

00:55:51,775 --> 00:55:53,165

And I look at the description.

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00:55:53,165 --> 00:55:55,935

I'm like, I don't check all these boxes.

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00:55:55,935 --> 00:55:56,225

Right.

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00:55:56,225 --> 00:55:59,034

And I don't know if I could do that,

but they're telling me they, they've

:

00:55:59,034 --> 00:56:00,165

said, Tony, you could do this.

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00:56:00,165 --> 00:56:00,495

Right.

:

00:56:00,805 --> 00:56:03,855

I'll tell you this other really quick

story where I actually did do it.

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00:56:04,275 --> 00:56:04,705

All right.

:

00:56:04,725 --> 00:56:06,055

And I worked for this company.

:

00:56:06,055 --> 00:56:08,914

I just started working there

as an account executive.

:

00:56:09,235 --> 00:56:13,595

And then the, um, the sales manager

was, uh, was going to another job.

:

00:56:13,945 --> 00:56:16,875

So our VP said, Hey, look,

we're going to open this up.

:

00:56:16,885 --> 00:56:18,835

Anybody wants to take his spot?

:

00:56:19,045 --> 00:56:22,864

And I had just got there and they were

two other people that had been there for

:

00:56:22,865 --> 00:56:27,605

years, that was way more knowledgeable,

man, quality, qualified webcasting people.

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00:56:27,605 --> 00:56:30,315

But I was like, I'm gonna throw

my hat in the ring, right?

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00:56:31,595 --> 00:56:34,105

So I went and I had the interview,

you know what I'm saying?

:

00:56:34,105 --> 00:56:35,845

He asked me, what would I do?

:

00:56:36,045 --> 00:56:37,435

I told him blah, blah, blah.

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00:56:37,474 --> 00:56:38,434

It's 900 yards.

:

00:56:38,434 --> 00:56:38,744

And then.

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00:56:39,165 --> 00:56:40,955

You know, then they, they

came out and said, all right,

:

00:56:40,955 --> 00:56:41,925

we're going to promote her.

:

00:56:42,105 --> 00:56:42,305

Right.

:

00:56:42,315 --> 00:56:42,985

That was my girl.

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00:56:44,235 --> 00:56:45,545

Deserved it flat out.

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00:56:45,735 --> 00:56:46,135

Right.

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00:56:47,115 --> 00:56:51,875

Then a couple of years later, they

came, Tony, can you come in the office?

:

00:56:52,075 --> 00:56:52,845

I was like, yeah.

:

00:56:53,515 --> 00:56:54,395

They took me in the office.

:

00:56:54,455 --> 00:56:56,715

They said, look, Sherry Gale is retiring.

:

00:56:56,815 --> 00:56:58,244

We're making you the manager.

:

00:56:58,685 --> 00:56:59,795

And I'm like, what?

:

00:57:01,015 --> 00:57:03,285

And they're like, Tony, you

already been the manager.

:

00:57:03,495 --> 00:57:04,195

You were leader.

:

00:57:04,365 --> 00:57:05,425

Everybody comes to you.

:

00:57:05,565 --> 00:57:06,915

You've been, you push back.

:

00:57:06,935 --> 00:57:07,515

You have ideas.

:

00:57:07,575 --> 00:57:10,195

They already had the paperwork

written up in the whole nine yard.

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00:57:10,285 --> 00:57:11,295

And you know what they said to me?

:

00:57:11,434 --> 00:57:15,474

They said, well, they didn't say it then,

but they told me after they were like,

:

00:57:15,545 --> 00:57:17,375

you, he already threw his hat in the ring.

:

00:57:17,924 --> 00:57:18,234

All right.

:

00:57:18,234 --> 00:57:21,515

That he, this was two years,

two, three years later.

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00:57:21,525 --> 00:57:21,905

Absolutely.

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00:57:22,495 --> 00:57:22,835

Right.

:

00:57:22,855 --> 00:57:25,455

So this is why you have to go for it.

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00:57:25,455 --> 00:57:25,589

Yeah.

:

00:57:25,850 --> 00:57:26,330

Right?

:

00:57:26,590 --> 00:57:28,120

And don't worry about that.

:

00:57:28,140 --> 00:57:29,840

And then yeah, you got to bring it.

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00:57:30,070 --> 00:57:31,040

You have to bring it.

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00:57:31,330 --> 00:57:31,950

Okay.

:

00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:34,170

But like I said, I didn't ask for nothing.

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00:57:34,740 --> 00:57:35,080

Nobody.

:

00:57:35,790 --> 00:57:37,100

We're going to make you the manager.

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00:57:37,420 --> 00:57:37,950

Okay.

:

00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:41,010

So, so we have to get our own way.

:

00:57:41,209 --> 00:57:45,809

But more importantly, back to this

segment, we have to push back that

:

00:57:45,809 --> 00:57:47,569

these narratives are not true.

:

00:57:47,870 --> 00:57:51,250

And we can't let somebody

else keep pushing narratives.

:

00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:52,630

That's not true.

:

00:57:53,045 --> 00:57:58,225

To divide people and to more

importantly, make, make not just our

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00:57:58,225 --> 00:58:00,935

lives where we are, but our kids life.

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00:58:01,324 --> 00:58:02,124

Okay.

:

00:58:02,415 --> 00:58:06,935

Um, you know, not in the best stuff that

they're going to have to deal with when

:

00:58:06,935 --> 00:58:10,074

it comes to, you know, us being qualified.

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00:58:10,605 --> 00:58:11,945

Uh, for positions.

:

00:58:12,585 --> 00:58:13,165

Chris P. Reed: Absolutely.

:

00:58:13,505 --> 00:58:13,905

Absolutely.

:

00:58:13,905 --> 00:58:14,845

A hundred percent agree.

:

00:58:14,855 --> 00:58:15,785

See it as believing.

:

00:58:16,005 --> 00:58:19,095

And we gotta, you know, like I said,

put ourselves in those situations where

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00:58:19,095 --> 00:58:20,825

you can see it, we can prove it out.

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00:58:21,165 --> 00:58:23,705

Um, and then we just got to keep

fighting a good fight because once

:

00:58:23,705 --> 00:58:27,564

again, there are forces that no matter

what you show, no matter how much data

:

00:58:27,564 --> 00:58:34,364

you show up with, they have an agenda

to discredit and diminish everything

:

00:58:34,364 --> 00:58:35,944

that you've developed and built.

:

00:58:36,275 --> 00:58:38,805

Over time, and we have to do both.

:

00:58:38,825 --> 00:58:42,605

We have to construct and

defend simultaneously.

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00:58:42,645 --> 00:58:43,395

Tony Tidbit: Buddy flat out.

:

00:58:43,495 --> 00:58:46,505

We, and here's the thing we

have to come together as people.

:

00:58:47,505 --> 00:58:53,405

We have to, um, start

speaking as one voice, right?

:

00:58:53,405 --> 00:58:55,335

You know, we have our

partners CodeM magazine.

:

00:58:55,745 --> 00:58:56,284

We have Dr.

:

00:58:56,284 --> 00:58:57,205

Nsenga Burton.

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00:58:57,255 --> 00:59:00,085

Those are, those are, those

things are on purpose, right?

:

00:59:00,145 --> 00:59:03,165

Because we're all working

to do the same thing.

:

00:59:03,630 --> 00:59:04,120

Right?

:

00:59:04,180 --> 00:59:08,800

And they may be different vehicles,

but the bottom line is, as we start, if

:

00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,159

we come together and start amplifying

our voice, and there's a lot of people

:

00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:13,769

doing a lot of great stuff, right?

:

00:59:13,970 --> 00:59:15,730

We have to amplify.

:

00:59:16,049 --> 00:59:19,640

We have to amplify and stop and push back.

:

00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,700

And that doesn't mean we attack people.

:

00:59:21,820 --> 00:59:23,690

That doesn't mean we call people names.

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00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:24,520

That's not my point.

:

00:59:24,740 --> 00:59:28,510

My point is, is that we refute

and push back these narratives and

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00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,429

provide the facts to educate people.

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00:59:31,685 --> 00:59:33,935

To your point, those

who want to be educated.

:

00:59:34,175 --> 00:59:35,605

So final thoughts, my brother.

:

00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,410

Chris P. Reed: I just think that,

you know, these type of platforms,

:

00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:42,260

these type of opportunities

give you food for thought.

:

00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,330

You know, you're famous for

saying, don't believe me.

:

00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,710

Go check, you know,

don't don't believe me.

:

00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:49,280

Don't do it for me.

:

00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:50,209

Do it for goodness sake.

:

00:59:50,209 --> 00:59:50,449

Right?

:

00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,029

And so, for goodness sake,

uh, think about these things.

:

00:59:54,029 --> 00:59:57,930

We've said, think about the fact that at

your building, when you've had someone

:

00:59:57,930 --> 01:00:03,330

and you thought they weren't the greatest

leader, manager, CEO, CFO, CIO, Think

:

01:00:03,340 --> 01:00:06,730

about kind of, uh, where they came from.

:

01:00:07,110 --> 01:00:10,850

And I'll tell you, if you're being

honest with yourself, the people that

:

01:00:10,850 --> 01:00:14,890

are of color, the people that are in

these positions, they're few and far

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between the ones that you consider to

be incompetent based on production.

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It just, it just, it's so rare.

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It's so rare that I would

take that to the bank.

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So sometimes you just got to take

a step back and take the emotion

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out of it and say, what am I

really allowing myself to believe?

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What am I allowing myself to

propagate throughout this organization

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or to hand off to other people?

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And am I being responsible?

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Don't be like some of these leaders

that we have in, in, in the political

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arenas and speak irresponsibly.

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If you're going to love your fellow

man and better your society, you have a

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responsibility to speak responsibly, speak

truthfully, speak fairly at all times.

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And that's how you can be the best

citizen, the best Patriot, the best,

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whatever that you have, the best

father, teacher, brother, uncle.

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You know, always try to be

responsible in your thought in your

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positioning and in your presentation.

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And I think that that's what we're trying

to do here and given just a perspective.

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We would love to hear a counter to that.

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If you have it, bring it.

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And we, we're here.

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We're open.

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We're, we're receptive because we

can't grow without being polished.

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Right?

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You can't shine as a diamond.

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Uh, friction creates a polish.

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It creates a shine and

we're okay with that.

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We're here for that.

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That's what we want, but don't

just merely dismiss this.

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Go and do your research, research

your research and come back and let me

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know where you think I was in error,

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Tony Tidbit: buddy.

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That's a great final thought.

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My man.

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I love it.

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And I concur.

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I'm 100 percent behind you.

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Thank you for that.

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So now I think it's

time for Tony's tidbit.

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So the tidbit today, um, and Chris spoke

to it, navigating the currents of change.

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We uncover the deeper meanings.

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Behind the world's latest events guiding

us towards a more informed future.

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01:02:01,310 --> 01:02:02,339

And that's what we want.

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01:02:02,460 --> 01:02:05,850

We want a more informed future.

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01:02:07,310 --> 01:02:09,709

Chris P. Reed: And don't forget

to tune in for information.

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01:02:09,710 --> 01:02:13,719

Speaking of informed future, uh,

the segment need to know with Dr.

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01:02:13,719 --> 01:02:15,910

Nsenga Burton happens every week.

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So make sure that you don't miss

this week's need to know segment.

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01:02:19,405 --> 01:02:23,445

A black executive

perspective podcast has Dr.

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01:02:23,445 --> 01:02:27,555

Burton, where she dives into timely

and crucial topics that shape our

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community and world to an end to

gain unique insights and deepen your

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01:02:30,735 --> 01:02:32,744

understanding of issues that matter.

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01:02:33,015 --> 01:02:35,235

Trust me, you do not want to miss this.

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01:02:35,265 --> 01:02:36,365

It's powerful every week.

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No,

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Tony Tidbit: you definitely

don't want to miss this.

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01:02:38,215 --> 01:02:41,425

So I hope you enjoyed another

episode of a black executive

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01:02:41,425 --> 01:02:47,255

perspective podcast, BEP insights,

navigating the today's top headlines.

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01:02:48,460 --> 01:02:51,200

Chris P. Reed: And then also, we

want to employ you, and I talked

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01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,810

about this earlier, our call

to action to incorporate less.

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01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:56,120

L E S S.

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And remember the first L, the

L, I'm sorry, in this is learn.

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01:03:01,290 --> 01:03:04,480

Educate yourself on racial

and cultural nuances.

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01:03:04,820 --> 01:03:09,040

Make sure that you're keeping your mind

open and in taking plenty of perspective.

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01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:09,550

Tony Tidbit: Yeah.

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01:03:09,550 --> 01:03:11,630

And E stands for empathy, right?

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01:03:11,630 --> 01:03:15,929

Once you've learned, you should be

more empathetic towards your fellow

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human being, colleague, family.

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01:03:19,038 --> 01:03:20,979

Chris P. Reed: And then of

course the first S is for share.

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Don't hide it.

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01:03:21,980 --> 01:03:22,719

Divide it.

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01:03:22,939 --> 01:03:25,630

Use these insights that things

you've learned to cascade.

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Throughout your organization,

your community, your family.

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Tony Tidbit: And then the final S, which

is just as important, S stands for stop.

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We want to stop discrimination

wherever it comes in our path.

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01:03:36,990 --> 01:03:40,700

So if grandpa's at the Thanksgiving

table and grandpa says something

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01:03:40,959 --> 01:03:44,690

that's inappropriate, you say,

grandpa, we don't believe in that.

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01:03:44,890 --> 01:03:46,349

And you stop it.

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01:03:46,350 --> 01:03:50,300

And by doing that, we're going to

have a more understanding world.

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01:03:50,570 --> 01:03:53,180

We're going to see the

change that we want to see.

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01:03:53,455 --> 01:03:56,025

Because less will become more.

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01:03:58,865 --> 01:04:01,605

Chris P. Reed: So we want you to

tune in for the next episode of A

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01:04:01,605 --> 01:04:03,445

Black Executive Perspective as well.

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01:04:03,605 --> 01:04:06,285

We'll continue to bring the

insights and make sure that you

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01:04:06,285 --> 01:04:08,215

stay informed as we stay informed.

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01:04:08,555 --> 01:04:11,735

And then we also want you to go to our

website and sign up for the newsletter.

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01:04:12,095 --> 01:04:15,685

Leave us reviews and subscribe wherever

you're listening to this podcast.

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01:04:15,755 --> 01:04:20,595

This helps us reach you, scale what we

have going on, and help you where you are.

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01:04:20,715 --> 01:04:24,415

Tony Tidbit: And you can follow A Black

Executive Perspective on all our socials.

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From LinkedIn X, YouTube, Tik TOK,

and Facebook at a black exec for the

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co host with the most, my brother

was down in Dallas, Texas, Chris P.

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01:04:35,850 --> 01:04:39,990

Reed for the greatest producer,

Noelle Miller, who's standing

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here, giving me a muscle sign.

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01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,960

She makes it all happen behind the glass.

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01:04:44,190 --> 01:04:45,300

I'm Tony tidbit.

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01:04:45,630 --> 01:04:46,830

We talked about it.

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We love you.

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01:04:48,020 --> 01:04:48,740

And guess what?

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Tony Franklin, the esteemed host of "TonyTidbit: A Black Executive Perspective," is a dynamic and insightful leader with over 30 years of experience navigating the complexities of corporate America. With a career marked by leadership roles across various industries, Tony brings a wealth of knowledge and a unique perspective to the podcast. His journey is one of resilience, determination, and an unwavering commitment to driving diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in the workplace.

A passionate advocate for change, Tony initiated the groundbreaking "Conversations about Race" series in his workplace following the social unrest of 2020. This series laid the foundation for the podcast, offering a platform for open, honest discussions about race and the Black executive experience in corporate America. Through his engaging conversations with guests, Tony explores themes of adversity, exclusion, and implicit bias, while also highlighting the strategies that have helped break down racial barriers.

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